Do we want Societies were individual citizens “who see everything, saw nothing, and said nothing”?

 

You cannot change the past but you can change the future.

 

It is only by enabling the independence of others first that we can realise our own true independence.

 

There is no such thing as freedom only the degree of independence we are willing to grant each other.

 

Faith provides secular and religious certainty, the greater the certainty the greater the danger to humanity.

 

Incoherence is not a property of God it is a property of man.

 

 

It appears humanity as a species is becoming very aware:

 

1.      there is no such thing as freedom just a relative degree of independence we grant each other and

2.      evangelical extremes based on the notion of freedom of religion in particular without human rights boundary constraints leaves a swath of humanity subject to the violent oppressive tenants of babbling myopic fools.

 

It is only by setting up a human society devoid of the notion of sovereignty, based on enabling the independence of other first, and framed by now well understood human rights doctrine which maximize the potential independence of the individual rather than constrain it for the gratification of a few.

 

Religion will be subject to the same legislative constraints and privileges as the secular for religion is no different than any other human organization within society. Religion will no longer be able to call for the continuance of religion to be able discriminate against citizens whilst demanding the rest of the community should not discriminate against religions themselves. Such a position continues to subvert equal opportunity and many fundamental human right tenets supposedly the basis of vibrant Democracies.

 

The notion of culture or sovereignty, religious or secular, should no longer be allowed to be used as an excuse to ignore the plight and subjugation of fellow humans.

Fear as Darkness Seeps and the Steps of History Creak

Ayatollah Khamenei you are so perverse you believe perversion normative.

You expect adherence of the rest of humanity to a twisted delusional dogma.

Ayatollah Khamenei your pearly white teeth drip with the blood of your and my sisters and brothers. The more you kill the more you will have to kill. As your kind such as Stalin before you. You spread your disease of hate before you as rose petals under the maimed and cold bodies you and your diabolical black clubbing shirted thugs have laid waste.

How dare you define humanity as being able to be partitioned into separate sovereignty devoid of reflection of your brutal purpose of suppression and death. You say we should remain silent. You are my neighbour and I am yours. If your house burns do I stand back warm my hands? Do I close my ears to the screams of anguish? 


Ayatollah Khamenei your primitive thoughts and actions belong to a style of a culture devoid of enlightenment.


Yours is a culture of 

‘Death to ….’! ; ‘Death to ….’! ;‘Death to ….’! ;‘Death to ….’! ;

‘Death to Thought’!

‘Death to Difference’!

‘Death to Peace’!

‘Death to Knowledge’!

‘Death to Women’!

‘Death to the Independence of Other’!

Fear is you’re only teaching and reason.

Ayatollah Khamenei surely in your nightmares your plans are confounded. Your true self bathed in the blood of humanity reveals itself of its true nature. If not, the blood has clearly washed away your soul and it resides withered, twisting already in the Hell of your own imagining.


Ayatollah Khamenei, you and your myopic assistants in this most grotesque of crimes will collapse eventually from the weight of ignominy. As regimes of oppression, secular and religious, who have excessively gorged themselves on the misery of humanity in the past.




Ayatollah Khamenei, you of course believe yourselves to be reasonable men, reinforced incessantly by your companions in terror. You will not hear adverse notions regards your behaviour nor see your own perversion in the mirror of reality, your edifice of lies, as it would destroy the small ego you and your followers confuse with intellect.


Ayatollah Khamenei you and your followers suffer from a human condition of contrived ignorance. A simple complaint which you have transformed into an art form of reinforced deception. You perversely believe ‘Death’ to those who simply purport or support the notion of having a differing thought to your own dogma as justified. Such insanity you and your followers determine as normative behaviour.


I know nothing I can say will change your path to destruction for you and the people you purport to represent. History will be repeated. Why humanity persists in enabling such madmen to reign supreme to its severe detriment beggars belief.


As in the past we will endeavour not to snuff out your regime due to appeasing the mad idiot and again humanity will reap a bloody harvest for its reticence.


Yet the world knows you Ayatollah Khamenei and your followers as purveyors  of  proved dangerous gibberish. The demand for respect for such a notion of humanity is void of the possibility of substantiation. Fear is now your only bedfellow for survival.


This is what you are in fact Ayatollah Khamenei:

A severe discredit to the notion of religion.


A bringer of ash and dust.


A builder of empires of misery based on fear, death and the oppression of an independent spirit.


A credit to perversion.

Any adherence on your or your follower’s part to a more pristine image of yourselves is delusion.


May a Dust storm of Justice swiftly swirl you and your grovelling underlings into a state of understanding and repentance.


Henceforth for you Ayatollah Khamenei and those with blood on their hands sleep will now never be easy nor devoid of palpable fear as darkness seeps and the steps of history creak.

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 27th June 2009

 

Is it really worth it for Humanity to persist with such a grotesque absurdity?

“TEHRAN, Iran 26/6/2009 — A senior cleric aligned with Iran's hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called Friday for leaders of the mass protests over the country's disputed presidential election to be dealt with "mercilessly" and treated as enemies of God, a transgression meriting death. “

 

In one society we have a beautiful Iranian Neda Agha Soltan's subject to cold-blooded murder.

 

In another society we have a senior cleric Ayatollah Ahmed Khatamis saying "Such people are called mohareb" — enemies of God — whose deaths are sanctioned under Islamic law.

 

We all know it, Muslim, Catholic, Buddhist, communist, Democrat etc yet we continue to stoop to support our brutality against each other from archaic documents written by man for man. We all know it in our hearts yet some of us still persist in recognizing such brutality as cleric Ayatollah Ahmed Khatamis as valid.

 

It could very well have been in our current Human circumstance “The excuse enemies of the State”. Which in essence is the true meaning? God as usual an unseen bystander in this circumstance where one group of humans enforces a minority myopic view on others. As it always has been in the past.

 

The excuse enemies of God – One has to ask if having a belief in this type of God with a  law surrounding it which enables the justification of such suppression and death - Is it really worth it for Humanity to persist with such a grotesque absurdity?

 

Such a statement is not a matter of a lack of respect for other people’s values and culture. It is recognition such an act of barbarism cannot be excused by human statutes of any kind under secular or religious tenants. It is seen for what it is cold-blooded murder. Is this the style of society most of us desire – I do not believe it is.

 

Allowing diversity rather than crushing it under a bloodied baton of cruel gibberish appears to be a much happier and prosperous place to live.

 

 

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BBC:

Iran doctor tells of Neda's death

"We heard a gunshot. Neda was standing a metre away from me... I saw blood gushing out of her chest"

The doctor who tried to save an Iranian protester as she bled to death on a street in Tehran has told the BBC of her final moments.

Dr Arash Hejazi, who is studying at a university in the south of England,

said he ran to Neda Agha-Soltan's aid after seeing she had been shot in the chest.

Despite his attempts to stop the bleeding she died in less than a minute, he said.

Video of Ms Soltan's death was posted on the internet and images of her have become a rallying point for Iranian opposition supporters around the world.

Dr Hejazi also told how passers-by then seized an armed Basij militia volunteer who appeared to admit shooting Ms Soltan.

Dr Hejazi said he had not slept for three nights following the incident, but he wanted to speak out so that her death was not in vain.

He doubted that he would be able to return to Iran after talking openly about Ms Soltan's killing.

"I was there with some friends because we had heard that there were some protests and we decided to go and take a look," he said.

"Anti-riot police were coming by motorcycles towards the crowd."

Dr Hejazi said he saw Ms Soltan, who he did not know, with an older man who he thought was her father but later on learned was her music teacher.

"Suddenly everything turned crazy. The police threw teargas and the motorcycles started rushing towards the crowd. We ran to an intersection and people were just standing. They didn't know what to do.

"We heard a gunshot. Neda was standing one metre away from me. I turned back and I saw blood gushing out of Neda's chest.

"She was in a shocked situation, just looking at her chest. Then she lost her control.

"We ran to her and lay her on the ground. I saw the bullet wound just below the neck with blood gushing out.

"I have never seen such a thing because the bullet, it seemed to have blasted inside her chest, and later on, blood exiting from her mouth and nose.

"I had the impression that it had hit the lung as well. Her blood was draining out of her body and I was just putting pressure on the wound to try to stop the bleeding, which wasn't successful unfortunately, and she died in less than one minute."

Dr Hejazi said he first thought the gunshot had come from a rooftop.

But later he saw protesters grab an armed man on a motorcycle.

"People shouted 'we got him, we got him'. They disarmed him and took out his identity card which showed he was a Basij member. People were furious and he was shouting, 'I didn't want to kill her'.

"People didn't know what do to do with him so they let him go. But they took his identity card. There are people there who know who he is. Some people were also taking photos of him."

Dr Hejazi said he knew he was putting himself in jeopardy by talking about what happened.

"It was a tough decision to make to come out and talk about it but she died for a cause. She was fighting for basic rights... I don't want her blood to have been shed in vain."

He added: "She died on the streets to say something."

Dr Hejazi said he did not believe he could now return to Iran.

"They are going to denounce what I am saying. They are going to put so many things on me. I have never been in politics. I am jeopardising my situation because of the innocent look in her (Neda's) eyes."

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Roll UP Roll Up

 

See the amazing esteemed magician Iranian Prosecutor General Saeed Mortazavi pull a giant rat out of the very centre of Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei’s very small turban. Using only smoke and mirrors, with his renowned coercive powers, Prosecutor Mortazavi will then turn this enormous rat, magically into an Iranian President.

 

Also starring the Islamic version of the Catholic Spanish Inquisition the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. The Iranian Revolutionary Guard is to do an adaptation of the Spanish Inquisitions proof that the Earth is indeed flat.

 

At the very same time the Iranian Revolutionary Guard will also prove what is an equally valid proposition Evil European, Israeli and US agents are totally responsible for fomenting the huge demonstrations and violence in Iran.

 

See the Usual Confessions of Guilt!

 

Have no doubt you will be amazed!

 

What Century is this?

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 BBC - 28th June 2009

Basij militia of carrying out night-time raids, destroying property in private homes and beating civilians.

"Witnesses are telling us that the Basij are trashing entire streets and even neighbourhoods as well as individual homes trying to stop the nightly rooftop protest chants,"

What Century is this?

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 BBC 26th June 2009

US President Barack Obama has praised the opposition candidate in Iran's disputed presidential election.

Mr Obama said Mir Hossein Mousavi had captured the imagination of groups in Iran that were interested in opening up to the world.

He spoke of the bravery of protesters in the face of "outrageous" violence.

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MPs 'snub' Ahmadinejad poll party

More than 180 Iranian MPs appear to have snubbed an invitation to celebrate President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's election win, local press reports say.

All 290 MPs were invited to the victory party on Wednesday night, but only 105 turned up, the reports say.

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19-Jun-2009 12:37

COMMENT:

We would not cheat

Is Ayatollah Khamenei referring to himself or the Royal Union Ayatollah Khamenei and Mr Ahmadinejad, the esteemed erstwhile President of historical truism?

Ayatollah Khamenei is not unbiased. He openly supports President Ahmadinejad, saying the president's views on foreign affairs and social issues were close to his.

So much for objectivity of office.

It would seem the apparatus of State may have been utilised to enhance a particular vision. Cheating MOI!?

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19-Jun-2009 12:07

COMMENT:

CONGRATULATIONS IRAN!

Your Revolution deposed of the Shar.

You no longer have a Supreme Leader with total power.

You no longer have militias enforcing myopic dogma with intimidation and violence.

You no longer have a select group of Guardians imposing a repressive societal apparatus which extinguishes your aspirations.

You no longer have a dreaded 200,000 strong personal guard of the Supreme Leader to enforce his distorted view.

CONGRATULATIONS IRAN YOU ARE A err..DEMOCRACY?

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19-Jun-2009 04:48

COMMENT:

Iran - What Democracy?

How can a society have a Supreme Leader and still claim to be a Democracy.

Iran has a Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who backs the re-election of President Ahmadinejad.

Democracy is a reflection of the will of people.

Democracy is not the will of one person, a Supreme or a select group, the Guardians. They certainly are not Guardians of individual independence.

Listen carefully Iran your determination is Ayatollah Ali Khamenei's will not your own.

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A new constitution for Iran needs to have the independence of others first as a basic tenant

 

In the world we have an abundance of talent in regards to policy formulation and implementation. The true tragedy is that we still use the inherited wasteful feudal framework across our public and private systems to make and implement choices within political systems across the world.

The real challenge in the world today is not which policy but the type of process by which policy can be more effectively formulated and inclusive to enable the maximum potential for each of us to realise our independence. Rather than independence for a privileged few.

As past elections have shown the worlds political systems by any measure are clearly resulting in the misdirection of community wealth and power for the sake of the political angle and personal benefit ahead of the needs of others. This is reflective of our inherited feudal Democratic frameworks.

Revolution is not an option nor an answer for the changes needed to be made, we will just end up with the same or much worse. History has clearly shown this time and again. Violence leads to more violence. If reasoned open debate cannot achieve change then it is change for the future not worth having.(a) Societal and organisational studies, technological changes and our own experience provide us with more than enough starting points to realise an effective inclusive decision making process for a new Democracy.

 

In a society it is only by seeking to enable the independence of others first that we ourselves can then maximise our own independence. A new constitution for Iran needs to have the independence of others first as a basic tenant if it is to avoid the mistakes of the past. Also the first sign of suppression is the creation of a select group who determine what you are to think. Once created such entities are utilised to protect those in power not to protect the so called revolution for the benefit of anyone other than themselves whatever stated intentions. Actions soon reveal the true nature of such apparatus as in Iran.

 

(a) This does not mean one cannot defend oneself from violence perpetrated against an individual or group which is occurring in Iran now at this very moment. But stipulates violence and suppression as a tool to assume power becomes reflective within whatever institutions are created to the degree violence and repression were utilised to assume power. Iran’s currant political system is a perfect example of an extreme but equally relates to all political systems in existence today.

 

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1st July 2009

 

If Insanity was a Crime Ahmadinejad Requires an Infinite Number of Lives or Straight Jacket arrives to Late for Khamenei and Politicized Basij

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The grief in losing a child is unfathomable. It knows no depth. Time dulls but does not heal the pain. Take this seriously Khamenei, Ahmadinejad and politicized Basij.

 

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad makes a mockery of his request for an investigation by the judiciary into the shooting death of beautiful Neda Agha-Soltan.

 

Ahmadinejad BBC (29/6/2009) suggested in the same letter requesting the investigation that the opposition and Iran's enemies overseas had sought to exploit her death "for their own political aims and also to distort the pure and clean image of the Islamic Republic in the world".

 

If insanity was a crime Ahmadinejad requires an infinite number of life times.

 

The fact is the brutal killing of beautiful Neda Agha-Soltan was a political act orchestrated by Khamenei and Ahmadinejad.

 

Khamenei and Ahmadinejad unleashed the politicized Basij which killed and maimed innocent demonstrators, beautiful Neda Agha-Soltan was one of them. This violent oppression is a political action designed to frighten and repress the rest of Iranian society. A politicized Basij which is at this very moment terrorizing Iranian neighborhoods.

 

Clearly to Ahmadinejad beautiful Neda Agha-Soltan’s brutal death is an inconvenient truth only. Ahmadinejad  is as much interested in obtaining justice for beautiful Neda Agha-Soltan’s as he is in admitting he and his erstwhile friend Khamenei were directly responsible for beautiful Neda Agha-Soltan’s brutal death by unleashing the Basij.

 

Any text secular or religious in this century which justifies the visiting of grievous harm on a citizen simply because the citizen disagrees with its tenants in a peaceful manner needs to be condemned and amended.

 

Any appeal to a God as an author to justify such violence against another human being should be met with the derision it clearly deserves.

 

In a society in this century being able to be labeled as Gods enemies for demonstrating disagreement and therefore be able to be killed is such a grotesque absurdity that I cannot but agree with the following excerpt from the ‘Australian’30 June 2009 Christopher Hitchens:

 

“It is a mistake to assume that ayatollahs, cynical and corrupt as they may be, are acting rationally. They are frequently in the grip of archaic beliefs and fears that would make a stupefied medieval European peasant seem mentally sturdy and resourceful by comparison.”

 

I believe Christopher is much too harsh on the medieval European peasant.

 

I have faith from what I have seen that the Iranian people are on their way out of this constitutional and societal citizenry straight jacket. They should hand the straight jacket over to Khamenei, Ahmadinejad and the politicized Basij as soon as possible for all our sakes.

 

“pure and clean image of the Islamic Republic in the world”  There is not enough water in the world to wash the stain of beautiful Neda Agha-Soltan’s blood from the “pure and clean Islamic Republic” nor the blood of the other brave Iranians who have sacrificed their lives for a better life in fact for us all. The Islamic Republic was never clean and certainly never pure. It achieved its current form through fear, violence, oppression and rabid indoctrination. The Islamic Republic has been a myopic oppressive regime from start to its soon happily awaited finish.

 

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To Ayatollah Khamenei, Ahmadinejad, Guardians, politicized Basij, Revolutionary Guard, Quds force, various religious leaders and followers in Iran.

 

Do you not notice the only way you can maintain your vision of society is through fear, violence and terror not reason. Do you not notice as you have not been able to convince by reason, fear, violence and terror have become your reason.

 

You believe you represent Gods will on earth; you interpret a text to create a society which requires fear, violence and terror not reason to maintain your vision; you then export this fear, violence and terror to the rest of humanity and call it Gods will. Have you ever reflected this is your own personal interpretation from thoughts and text of what you think is a Gods vision which can never be a Gods actual vision? Unless you actually believe yourselves to be a God or Gods chosen one, which is clearly delusionary.

 

Do you not notice the only way you can maintain your vision of society is to create structures and processes to repress the true will of the people. Supreme power, Guardians to restrict the different views of the people; Basij to violently maintain the vision; a revolutionary guard (Quds force) to assist the Basij in their heinous task internally and export these repressive structures and processes externally.

 

Do you not notice this vision ultimately requires the methods of violent application against the people by these apparatus and processes to maintain this vision? You again believe because it is a Gods will you do this and you are Gods representative on earth. Have you not thought this is actually your demented interpretation of what you think is a Gods version.

 

Have you ever stopped to think in the quieter moments we all have in our lives you may be in fact bereft of sanity if you believe your thoughts are actually connected to a God; God authorizes you to do such diabolical acts against humanity; you actually believe your design is Gods design on earth. If you do all you are doing is making life totally unnecessarily a hell on earth for fellow humanity and bereft of any justification...

 

I have personally been through a rabid indoctrination process with Catholicism and I understand some of you actually feel you have a connection with a God which gives you the right to carry out this repression. Whilst you believe your acts, which are totally repugnant to the rest of humanity, you regard as actually saving human kind have you ever stopped to think in the quieter moments we all at times have you are most totally mistaken. That you are in fact perpetrators of the most repressive and heinous crimes known to God, human or any other creature for that matter.

 

Your ‘Revolution’ was nothing more than a replacement of a repressive violent Society in Iran with a more oppressive and debilitating Society. It does not matter if the text was secular or religious which forms the basis fear, violence and terror is fear, violence and terror be it secular or religious. Does not on reflection the screaming of a rhythmical chant  ‘Death to …’ and killing of fellow human beings to enforce your myopic view strike you somewhat excessive? Is this simply the way you carry on in your homes as well as every day coffee mornings? Surely when you reflect on the world watching such stupidity that you wince at the total brutality and wasted opportunity to make life better and more secure for your fellow man rather than making it a life of fear and terror.

 

To say your heinous actions are justified by text is an edifice of your own fabrication not Gods. If God has meant humanity to suffer from ignorance in a life of fear, violence and terror without reason then you are certainly achieving Gods will on earth. But I must point out it is only your personal interpretation of Gods will and I therefore if you actually believe God is directly guiding your judgment and actions you are clearly delusional and require intensive therapy.

 

It is your judgment and actions, your hand, your will alone driven by your own interpretation of what you alone think is a Gods will which is causing grievous injury to you fellow man. You alone are responsible for the misery. You alone are responsible for shouting Death!! Death!!. Humans are totally responsible for their actions which cannot be rationally excused by anyone’s interpretation of what a God thinks. God is not responsible for your crimes against humanity.

 

Go into a play ground alone sit quietly with small children playing around you and reflect on the brutality, the societal structures and processes you will eventually see them as an abomination. You cannot change the past but you can change the future.

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2 July 2009

IRANS ‘HUGE Mistake Hassan Firouzabadi’

 

Iran’s Maj Gen Hassan Firouzabadi promoted to “HUGE Mistake”. Henceforth to be addressed as the one and only ‘HUGE Mistake Hassan Firouzabadi’

 

Huge Mistake Hassan Firouzabadi, Iran's top Huge Mistake military officer, said on Wednesday that until Europe apologised for what Huge Mistake called this "huge mistake" it could no longer participate in talks on Iran's controversial nuclear programme.

 

It is a shame Huge Mistake Hassan Firouzabadi has called it a ‘huge mistake’ to be promoted as a “HUGE Mistake”. Why Huge Mistakes promotion would affect the European Unions participation in Huge Mistake talks on Iran's nuclear bomb programme and the European Unions also needs to apologise for Huge Mistakes promotion is a mystery?

 

Delusional characteristics appear to be somewhat endemic in the elite of the Islamic Republic. Must be all the fumes from polishing too many gun barrels and road side bombs for the Quds Iraqi Shia death squads, Taliban, Hezbollah , politicized Basij … any variety of murderous killers.

 

“pure and clean image of the Islamic Republic in the world”  What a joke. If you say it often enough over the screams of the thousands of victims maybe maybe.. No I am sorry the blood does not wash away that easily nor can the stench be smothered by excessive flower arranging.

 

It appears Russia is going to assist Huge Mistake with Iran’s huge mistake nuclear bomb programme and that is a mistake for us all. Guess Iran, Russia and China have formalised their obvious alliance. Wonder if we will all have the joy of an ‘axis’ signing ceremony. It’s impressive when repressive regimes have nice get togethers.

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The absurdity of this statement – “Today our best criteria especially for our officials are those based on religious democracy.”

 

(Islamic Revolution Leader Ayatollah Sayyed Ali Khamenei: Internet site 3 July 2009)

 

The absurdity of this statement – there is not such thing as a religious democracy.

 

It is a term dreamed up in an attempt to unsuccessfully hide a religious autocracy. Full stop.

 

The powers inherent in the Iranian political system have been purposefully created to nullify the peoples Democratic will through the

 

-supreme power of the ayatollah,

-the restrictive admission of difference into the so called electoral process by the Guardians,

-the enforcement of the myopic views of a few with the violent killers, the enforcing black shirted Basij.  By the way have the Basij completed their societal task of trashing Iranian neighbourhoods – intimidating women and children.

-and if any reinforcement of fear and violence was needed the Revolutionary Guard with the ever lovable Quds force-With all the murderous terrorists hangers on.

 

Call that a Democracy the delusion is palpable.

 

Religion inevitably overrides the Democratic will of the people because of a select few, sometimes one erroneous personal interpretation of a text to justify any form of inhumanity and repression of the will of the people.

 

Democracy is not a subject of any limiting notion religious or secular. A religious democracy is the same as saying rabbit horse or dictatorship communism.

 

Democracy is the reflection of the will of all of the people not a minority myopic personal view of maniacs imposing and exporting their violent vision for humanity with fear, violence and terror. Yes we all see the religious Democracy in action every day and we are sick of it.

 

Tranquillity supposedly to be achieved by the killing of human beings. Family squabble who on earth are you kidding. Do families generally go around shooting each other because they disagree? Grow up and join civilisation in a way which promotes life rather than leaves it in shreds in Iran and elsewhere.

 

‘People with different tastes enjoy good relation with system’. So the Basij are simply delivering flowers for the sick and dying. The Revolutionary Guard are simply dropping leaflets of joy and good will around the earth.

 

Reality has clearly separated itself from the mind of the Iranian elite. It needs to for to face the reality of its actions, thinking themselves normal human beings, it certainly will be a severe physiological trauma.

 

 

Top Reformers Admitted Plot, Iran Declares

By MICHAEL SLACKMAN

Published: July 3, 2009

 

CAIRO — Iranian leaders say they have obtained confessions from top reformist officials that they plotted to bring down the government with a “velvet” revolution. Such confessions, almost always extracted under duress, are part of an effort to recast the civil unrest set off by Iran’s disputed presidential election as a conspiracy orchestrated by foreign nations, human rights groups say.

 

Times Topics: IranReports on Iranian Web sites associated with prominent conservatives said that leading reformers have confessed to taking velvet revolution “training courses” outside the country. Alef, a Web site of a conservative member of Parliament, referred to a video of Mohammad Ali Abtahi, who served as vice president in the reform government of former President Mohammed Khatami, as showing that he tearfully “welcomed being defrocked and has confessed to provoking people, causing tension and creating media chaos.”

 

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei’s representative to the Revolutionary Guards, Mojtaba Zolnour, said in a speech Thursday that almost everyone now detained had confessed — raising the prospect that more confessions will be made public. Ayatollah Khamenei is supreme religious leader.

 

The government has made it a practice to publicize confessions from political prisoners held without charge or legal representation, often subjected to pressure tactics like sleep deprivation, solitary confinement and torture, according to human rights groups and former political prisoners. Human rights groups estimate that hundreds of people have been detained.

 

They fear the confessions are part of a concerted effort to lay the groundwork for banning existing reformist political parties and preventing any organized reform movement in the future. “They hope with this scenario they can expunge them completely from the political process,” said Hadi Ghaemi, coordinator of International Campaign for Human Rights in Iran, a New York-based group. “They don’t want them to come back as part of a political party.”

 

The confessions are used to persuade a domestic audience that even cultural and academic outreach by some of the nation’s top academics is really cover to usher in a velvet revolution, human rights workers and former prisoners say.

 

“If they talk about the velvet revolution 24 hours a day people don’t care,” said Omid Memarian, a former Iranian journalist who was arrested and forced to issue his own confession in 2004. “But if reformers and journalists say they are involved in it, it makes the point for them. Once my interrogators said, ‘Whatever you say is worth 100 times more than having a conservative newspaper say the same thing.’ ”

 

Fars, a semiofficial news agency, reported the confession of a Newsweek reporter, Mazaiar Bahari, that he had done the bidding of foreign governments, as well as a confession by the editor of a newspaper run by Mir Hussein Moussavi, the opposition leader. And at Friday Prayer, Ayatollah Ahmad Jannati said the government planned to put on trial several Iranian employees of the British Embassy — after confessions were extracted.

 

In addition to Mr. Abtahi, other prominent reformers being held include Abdullah Ramezanzadeh, Mr. Khatami’s spokesman, and Mostafa Tajzadeh, a former deputy interior minister.

 

In 2007, Iran produced a pseudo-documentary called “In the Name of Democracy,” which served as a vehicle to highlight what it called confessions of three academic researchers charged with trying to overthrow the state. “They don’t like new ideas to get to Iran,” said a researcher once investigated about his work, who spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisal. “They don’t like social and cultural figures in Iranian society to become very popular.”

 

In 2001, Ali Afshari was arrested for his work as a student leader. He said he was held in solitary confinement for 335 days and resisted confessing for the first two months. But after two mock executions and a five-day stretch where his interrogators would not let him sleep, he said he eventually caved in.

 

“They tortured me, some beatings, sleep deprivation, insults, psychological torture, standing me for several hours in front of a wall, keeping me in solitary confinement for one year,” Mr. Afshari said in an interview from his home in Washington. “They eventually broke my resistance.”

 

The problem, he said, was that he was not sure what he was supposed to confess to. So over the next several months, he said, he and his interrogators “negotiated” what he would say — and, more ominously, whom he would implicate. Once his confession was complete, he said, he practiced it for 7 to 10 days, and then it ran on state-run television.

 

Three years later, Mr. Memarian, the journalist and blogger, was arrested in another security sweep. He said that his interrogator at first sought to humiliate him by forcing him to discuss details of his sex life, and that when he hesitated, the interrogator would grab his hair and smash his head against the wall. He said the interrogator asked him about prominent politicians he had interviewed, asked if they ever had affairs, and asked if he had ever slept with their wives.

 

“I was crying, I begged him, please do not ask me this,” said Mr. Memarian, who is in exile now in the United States. “They said if you don’t talk now you will talk in a month, in two months, in a year. If you don’t talk now, you will talk. You will just stay here.”

 

The pressure was agonizing, he said, as he was forced to live in a small cell for 35 days with a light burning all the time and only three trips to the bathroom allowed every 24 hours. He was forced to shower in front of a camera, he said. At one point the interrogators threatened to break his fingers.

 

“They came up with names, and topics,” he said. “They gave me a three-page analysis and said read this and include it in your confession. My interrogator once said, ‘You have written seven years for the reformists; it’s O.K. to write for us for two months.’ ”

 

Mr. Memarian said that even in 2004, his interrogators were most interested in several leading reformers, including Mr. Abtahi, who at the time was an adviser to the president. When he was finally released, and after his confession was published by Fars, he was asked to testify before a committee led by the reform government investigating confessions, which included Mr. Abtahi. Mr. Abtahi, who has not been heard from since his arrest on June 16, understood even back then just how vulnerable he was, Mr. Memarian recalled.

 

Abtahi said, ‘We cannot guarantee anyone’s security,’ ” Mr. Memarian said. “ ‘We know what happened to you guys. When you leave this building we do not know will happen to you, or what can happen to us in this committee.’ ”

 

Leading Clerics Defy Ayatollah on Disputed Iran Election

By MICHAEL SLACKMAN and NAZILA FATHI

Published: July 4, 2009 New York Times

CAIROThe most important group of religious leaders in Iran called the disputed presidential election and the new government illegitimate on Saturday, an act of defiance against the country’s supreme leader and the most public sign of a major split in the country’s clerical establishment.

A statement by the group, the Association of Researchers and Teachers of Qum, represents a significant, if so far symbolic, setback for the government and especially the authority of the supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, whose word is supposed to be final. The government has tried to paint the opposition and its top presidential candidate, Mir Hussein Moussavi, as criminals and traitors, a strategy that now becomes more difficult — if not impossible.

“This crack in the clerical establishment, and the fact they are siding with the people and Moussavi, in my view is the most historic crack in the 30 years of the Islamic republic,” said Abbas Milani, director of the Iranian Studies Program at Stanford University. “Remember, they are going against an election verified and sanctified by Khamenei.”

The announcement came on a day when Mr. Moussavi released documents detailing a campaign of fraud by the current president’s supporters, and as a close associate of the supreme leader called Mr. Moussavi and former President Mohammad Khatami “foreign agents,” saying they should be treated as criminals.

The documents, published on Mr. Moussavi’s Web site, accused supporters of the president of printing more than 20 million extra ballots before the vote and handing out cash bonuses to voters.

Since the election, the bulk of the clerical establishment in the holy city of Qum, an important religious and political center of power, has remained largely silent, leaving many to wonder when, or if, the nation’s most senior religious leaders would jump into the controversy that has posed the most significant challenge to the country’s leadership since the Islamic Revolution.

With its statement Saturday, the association of clerics — formed under the leadership of the revolution’s founder, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini — came down squarely on the side of the reform movement.

The association includes reformists, but Iranian political analysts describe it as independent, and it did not support any candidate in the recent election.

The group had earlier asked for the election to be nullified because so many Iranians objected to the results, but it never directly challenged the legitimacy of the government and, by extension, the supreme leader.

The earlier statement also came before the election was certified by the country’s religious leaders, who have since said that opposition to the results must cease.

The clerics’ decision to speak up again is not itself a turning point and could fizzle under pressure from the state, which has continued to threaten its critics. Some seminaries in Qum rely on the government for funds, and Ayatollah Khamenei and the man he has declared the winner of the election, incumbent President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, have powerful backers there.

They also retain the support of the powerful security forces and the elite Revolutionary Guards. In addition, the country’s highest-ranking clerics have yet to speak out individually against the election results.

But the association’s latest statement does help Mr. Moussavi, Mr. Khatami and a former speaker of Parliament, Mehdi Karroubi, who have been the most vocal in calling the election illegitimate and who, in their attempts to force change, have been hindered by the jailing of influential backers.

“The significance is that even within the clergy, there are many who refuse to recognize the legitimacy of the election results as announced by the supreme leader,” said an Iranian political analyst who spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisal.

While the government could continue vilifying the three opposition leaders, analysts say it was highly unlikely that the leadership would use the same tactic against the clerical establishment in Qum.

The backing also came at a sensitive time for Mr. Moussavi, because the accusations that he is a foreign agent ran in a newspaper, Kayhan, that has often been used to build cases against critics of the government.

The editorial was written by Hossein Shariatmadari, who was picked by the supreme leader to run the newspaper.

The clerics’ statement chastised the leadership for failing to adequately study complaints of vote rigging and lashed out at the use of force in crushing huge public protests.

It even directly criticized the Guardian Council, the powerful group of clerics charged with certifying elections.

“Is it possible to consider the results of the election as legitimate by merely the validation of the Guardian Council?” the association said.

Perhaps more threatening to the supreme leader, the committee called on other clerics to join the fight against the government’s refusal to adequately reconsider the charges of voter fraud. The committee invoked powerful imagery, comparing the 20 protesters killed during demonstrations with the martyrs who died in the early days of the revolution and the war with Iraq, asking other clerics to save what it called “the dignity that was earned with the blood of tens of thousands of martyrs.”

The statement was posted on the association’s Web site late Saturday and carried on many other sites, including the Persian BBC, but it was impossible to reach senior clerics in the group to independently confirm its veracity.

The statement was issued after a meeting Mr. Moussavi had with the committee 10 days ago and a decision by the Guardian Council to certify the election and declare that all matters concerning the vote were closed.

But the defiance has not ended.

With heavy security on the streets, there is a forced calm. But each day, slowly, another link falls from the chain of government control. Last week, in what appeared a coordinated thrust, Mr. Moussavi, Mr. Karroubi and Mr. Khatami all called the new government illegitimate. On Saturday, Mr. Milani of Stanford said, former President Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani met with families of those who had been arrested, another sign that he was working behind the scenes to keep the issue alive.

“I don’t ever remember in the 20 years of Khamenei’s rule where he was clearly and categorically on one side and so many clergy were on the other side,” Mr. Milani said. “This might embolden other clergy to come forward.”

The committee of clergy was formed in the 1960s. Mr. Milani said that for years, Ayatollah Khamenei also belonged to the group, and that it had developed some political clout by backing successful candidates for national office.

Many of the accusations of fraud posted on Mr. Moussavi’s Web site Saturday had been published before, but the report did give some more specific charges.

For instance, although the government had announced that two of the losing presidential contenders had received relatively few votes in their hometowns, the documents stated that some ballot boxes in those towns contained no votes for the two men.

Michael Slackman reported from Cairo, and Nazila Fathi from Toronto.

Iran clerics defy election ruling

A group of clerics in Iran has called Iran's presidential vote invalid, contradicting official results.

The pro-reform group's statement pits it against the top legislative body, which last week formally endorsed the re-election of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

On Saturday, former President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani said that post-election events had caused bitterness.

Britain said one of two UK embassy employees detained for "inciting protests" would be released.

Hundreds of thousands of people took to the streets in the aftermath of the poll to protest at what they alleged was a fraudulent election.

The protests died down after the authorities deployed lethal force, killing at least 20 demonstrators. More than 1,000 were arrested.

On Sunday, state news agency Irna quoted Iran's police chief as saying about two-thirds of those arrested had been released.

The authorities have blamed the West, in particular the UK, for fomenting the unrest through the use of the media, including BBC Persian television which broadcasts to the country via satellite.

The head of Iran's judiciary, Ayatollah Mahmoud Hashemi-Shahroudi, has said "those who co-operate with such websites and television channels will face prosecution".

'No authority'

The pro-reform clerics group said in a statement that the top legislative body, the Guardian Council, no longer had the right "to judge in this case."

In a statement to the press, the Assembly of Qom Seminary Scholars and Researchers said some members of the Guardian Council had "lost their impartial image in the eyes of the public."

"How can one accept the legitimacy of the election just because the Guardian Council says so? Can one say that the government born out of the infringements is a legitimate one," it said.

The Guardian Council is an unelected 12-member council made up of six religious leaders, appointed by the supreme leader, and six jurists.

The statement is further proof of a split at the top of Iran's establishment, correspondents say.

They say that in particular, it was an act of defiance against the country's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

The group said the Guardian Council had not paid "attention" to the complaints lodged by the defeated candidates Mir Hossein Mousavi and Mehdi Karroubi, and urged other clerics to back them in calling the election and the new government illegitimate.

On Saturday, Mr Rafsanjani - an influential figure in Iranian politics and a prominent backer of Mr Mousavi during the election - met with the families of some of those who have been detained.

It was the first time he had spoken publicly since the election. He told the families that nobody with a "vigilant conscience" could be satisfied with the current situation.

"I hope with good management and wisdom the issues would be settled in the next days and the situation could improve ... We should think about protecting the system's long-term interests," Mr Rafsanjani said.

A BBC correspondent said that Mr Rafsanjani appeared to be hinting that a process was going on behind the scenes, which might resolve the current crisis.

Separately, one of the two British embassy staff still in custody in Iran was expected to be released on Sunday, according to the Foreign Secretary David Miliband.

Nine Iranians employed by the ambassador in Tehran were arrested and accused of stirring up unrest after the disputed presidential election.

There was concern on Friday when a senior Iranian cleric said some of them would be put on trial.

Mr Miliband told the BBC that efforts were now focused on securing the release of the last employee being held.

Tehran has repeatedly accused foreign powers - especially Britain and the US - of stoking unrest after the election.

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It is better to have lived a poor life well than to have lived it poorly

 

We are told by the Iranian foreign ministry spokesman some foreigners do not understand Iranian society and it would seem some foreigners are therefore unable to draw appropriate conclusions as to what is actually occurring in Iran.

 

It would seem violent behavior and other matters in Iran should not be considered negatively because they exist in a contextual human construct which differs from the external in particular Western based Democracies.

 

So if my lovely little dog was beaten with a baton on the streets of Iran my little dogs experience and terror and my own understanding of the violence and the cruelty inherent in this action should be viewed differently given it occurs in Iran and not in my own country. What of the Iranian journalists – our societal conscience. Is it wise to cut our conscience in half and feed half to the wolves?

 

I believe like our little doggy friends human beings at their core enjoy and suffer life in very much the same way.

 

We all know when we are being taken advantage of.

 

We all know when we are being lied to.

 

We all know when someone beats us it is a violent act.

 

We all know when people roam our neighborhoods terrorizing and beating up people they dislike; going into houses and trashing them we feel very frightened and anger at their powerlessness to stop the brutality.

 

We all know when one journalist is arrested raped and killed by authorities that it is a message to shut up for the rest of the media and society in general.

 

We all know what it means when people disappear or are killed for objecting in a peaceful manner.

 

We all know when we stand up our families and friends are put at risk.

 

We all know what equal opportunity in work and play means.

 

We all know which side our bread is buttered on.

 

We all know what corruption means

 

We all know what it means when the Stasi, SS, and Revolutionary guard produce an unfortunate person confessing all, incriminating all and blaming the evil outsiders.

 

We all know what a judicial public political trial means.

 

We all know with a regime such as the one currently in Iran ones life may be significantly shortened for doing the right thing.

 

We all know with life goes the inevitability of death.

 

We all know the shouting of ‘Death to …’ is not only meant for the benefit of the actual recipient of the curse. It is meant for all of us. Conform or be ready to die.

 

We all know, no interpretation of any text secular or religious used to justify brutal acts excuses them nor should the text be used to justify the protection of those responsible for unleashing the brutality on the people.

 

We all know as my lovely son told me one day – It is better to have lived a poor life well than to have lived it poorly.

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‘As so often in the course of history the shell of the institution remained, but its contents and spirit changed’ Is this what happened to you the elite of Iran or was it always so as it is now?

As can be seen below, yes the cultural context may be used as an excuse and the details of the processes may be different but the outcomes are still exactly the same. Be it information control in Stalin Russia or Communist China or the Islamic Republic of Iran. I am not confused about what rule of text authorized this in Iran or the other times and places mentioned– it is called the Rule of Expediency based on the very old text of retaining and increasing power at any cost to humanity

GOEBBELS AND NATIONALIST SOCIALIST PROPAGANDA 1925-1945 - Directing The Press 90-89-

In this chapter we shall consider some of the methods by which Goebbels’ Ministry exercised this control. Special attention will be given to the system of conferences and directives and to the peculiar mixture of criticism, threats and occasional praise which made the life of the journalists, to say the least, uneasy. At the same time it has to be realized that the control of the press by the Propaganda Ministry could never be 100 per cent, not because there was any organized resistance in the ranks of the intimidated editors and journalists, but rather because of the frequent interference by some other Party offices and officials, in fact, if not nominally, beyond the control of the Propaganda Ministry.

The Press Conferences and the directives conveyed to journalists at them were important tools of control. Though conferences imposed on the journalists tended to multiply in the Third Reich, the daily Press Conference, which took place at noon and was later supplemented by a smaller one in the evening, remained of paramount importance. Unlike the Propaganda Ministry, it was not a novel feature introduced by the Hitler régime. It had existed before, but when the National Socialist rulers took it over from the Republic in 1933 they changed it gradually wail it only faintly resembled the original. As so often in the course of history the shell of the institution remained, but its contents and spirit changed.

Since 1919 the editors of the leading Berlin dailies and representatives of the provincial press had met Government spokesmen every week-day at noon to obtain authoritative statements from senior officials on current policy and to ask for information. Before Hitler became Chancellor a journalist elected by his colleagues had presided at these conferences, and after the official part there followed a lengthy informal exchange of opinions between journalists and Government officials which often proved profitable to both sides. In 1933 the Press Department of the newly created Ministry of People’s Enlightenment and Propaganda took the daily Press Conference under its wing. Several hundred journalists attended it. Each of the larger papers was allowed one representative and a number of substitutes. Admission was now severely controlled, Jewish journalists having been barred already in the previous March, a measure which was later reinforced by the Law of Editors (Schriftleitergesetz) of October, 1933. At first the old polite formula continued by which the Government authorities “directed the attention of the assembled press to certain points” and asked it to consider the point of view of the Government.1 But the men of the press were soon to realize that even requests put forward politely by the new bureaucracy were in fact commands, neglect of which would have serious consequences. Gradually directives were issued which by way of “Confidential Information” (Vertrauliche Information (V.1.), also reached papers not represented at the conference.

By the autumn of 1933 journalists could have little doubt that the Government directives had to be regarded as binding even to the last detail. They were told by the head of the press conference, Jahnke, that the Government was determined to make editors, and particularly editors- in-chief, personally responsible for any infringement of the directives.2 The journalists present were not there only as representatives of their papers, but also, conversely, as confidential agents of Minister Goebbels.5 From then on the obligatory character of all directives and decrees of the Propaganda Ministry was stressed repeatedly.4 Seasoned journalists soon realized that their relative independence had gone. When a leading radio official, who had found it difficult to readjust himself to the new régime, was sent on permanent leave, the journalists at the daily Press Conference were warned that “it was not a good thing to swim against the tide.”5

As with the previous Government, information issued by the Press Department came within three categories:
1) News for immediate publication, to be released in full to the press.
2) Information and material to be used indirectly without indicating the source.
3) Strictly confidential directives which were only available to the journalists admitted to the press conference and to the editor-in-chief or the sub-editor responsible for a part of his paper (foreign affairs, economics, etc.)
6
 ….. etc more details available from the book

1. Stephan, Joseph Goebbels, p. 158.
2 At that time journalists at the Press Conference were worried because of the severe measures taken against the chief editor and publisher of an Essen newspaper. They had been sent to a concentration camp because two photographs had been mixed up, with the result that the caption under a carnival picture had appeared under the photograph of a solemn SA procession.
Letter by Dertinger, Berlin, to Dr. Heerdegen, Chemnitzer A ilgetneine Zeitung, 20 October, 1933. (Brammer) Dertinger became frightened and told the recipient of his letter that he and his colleagues of the Berlin office wanted to safeguard themselves against any possible accusations. In future they would number all confidential information or technical instructions they seat to their head offices. They further asked for a written confirmation of the receipt of these instructions.
4 For instance, at the press conference of 9 January, 1934 they were warned that in several cases directives had either been exceeded or not followed. (Brammer Anweisung No. 161, 9 January, 1934. There is a comment in handwriting in the margin “important” [wichtigl).
5 Bestellung” Press Conference 1 July, 1933 (Brammer).
6W. Hagemann, Publizisrik im Drinen Reici, Hamburg, 1948, pp. 316-317.

To Ahmadinejad

 

Khamenei with his pearly red teeth has taken a French citizen to play with. Please ask Khamenei to be more careful given what occurred with the last brave woman the amazing esteemed magician Iranian Prosecutor General Saeed Mortazavi violently abused and killed, justified by a demented interpretation of text.

 

I know you are working feverishly to save your skin and working diligently on exit plans, one being the annihilation of the Planet. It appears if you and Khamenei have to go you want to take us all with you. Something to do with the pure and clean image of the Islamic Republic in the world?

 

It is clear the Americans know you do not give up an opportunity to strut the stage without some diabolical endeavour more pertinent to preserve a discredited societal system at any cost to humanity.

 

Let us hope for all our sakes the premonitions do not come to pass and Iranian cities are not encased ultimately in a green glowing conflagration.

 

When the trumpet sound blankets heaven and earth, Michael and Gabriel will find you ahmadinejad; you khamenei and you esteemed magician Iranian prosecutor general saeed mortazavi very easily amongst the multitude. Your very high expectations of adulation will be crushed more severely than the innocent lives you have violently destroyed.

 

For evil indelibly marks the soul and you will reap in much greater measure the terror and violence you have sown.

 

For it is known in heaven and on earth the Death of others and violent suppression of justified voices of opposition enables your sordid tranquillity.

You cannot change the past but you can change the future.

 

APPEARANCES ARE DECIEVING – WE SEE WHAT WE WANT TO SEE

 

All text ever created has been by humans for humans. Is there anyone who can truly claim not the hand of a human but an actual hand of God has physically written any of the text we see before us and hear today?

 

 

As the human hand has written or spoken are not these movements driven by this humans own sinews not a Gods sinews. Is it not a humans own nervous tissue which carries the impulses by which these sinews move to enable the text and spoken word to be formed.

 

 

Do not the nervous impulses which move the sinews to enable the text and spoken word to be formed derive from a humans own thoughts, a pool of personal environment and context not a Gods personal thoughts, environment and context.

 

 

If it is claimed God is a humans sinews; humans thoughts; humans environment; humans context; and therefore is able to guide directly a Gods thoughts without human embellishment into text and speech, utilising the body of the human, how does another human distinguish between text or speech derived from a God and a human when the text is seen clearly to be written and spoken by a human?

 

 

Have you not noticed for any God based text we firmly believe in there are thousands of contradictory God texts. As only one of these contradictory texts may be true and there is clearly no infallible way to distinguish between or prove which human author was truly guided directly by God other than our own personal prejudice, what definitive bases do we have for proving these other texts are invalid rather than simply contradictory.

 

 

If it is claimed God enabled miracles, visions, persons rising from the dead, ascending into the sky to heaven, to prove the text or derived spoken word was derived directly from God personally. How and when did God communicate to humans that this was how God intended to substantiate the text and spoken word?  If the only communication of Gods intention to substantiate the text was in the human formed text itself how can the substantiation be substantiated?

 

 

In other words to say the text itself becomes relevant only by claiming itself to be relevant is simply not enough to vouch for authenticity other than again personal prejudice. Particularly when all the claims of miracles, visions in the current day would not possibly be at all taken on faith even by the people who claim today to believe without question. 

 

 

This is not to say I believe any one of us is particularly wrong or right. I am just putting forward the notion that there should be room left for the possibility of error so each of us do not take ourselves so seriously that we continue to kill each other. To silence the dissenting voices for the sake of an earthly sordid tranquillity only to find the hereafter is nothing like we humans expected.

 

 

The pain, torment and grief inflicted on so much humanity, for a singular view whatever that may be, a very harsh wasted effort for no reward.

 

 

On reflection I simply cannot bring myself to believe God is a God of the poetry of death and fear. A God so afraid of the independent spirit of questioning minds and souls that God would kill Gods own creations in the streets of Iran and elsewhere and cause fear and terror to manifest itself in people hearts. This same God which created the independent spirit of questioning minds and souls in the first place.

 

 

To me this murderous terror is man alone, God again a slave to the illusion of myopic sycophants subservient to a human political structure of sovereignty. Not honouring a God, honouring instead human flowers of death and terror for the pursuit and retention of power at any cost.

 

 

You cannot change the past but you can change the future.

 

Not For the Last Time

 

The following article is of no surprise to me or anyone who understands oppressive regimes recognise each others guilt with rapturous silence. Note in each case of violent internal reaction the elusive external forces are to blame not the resident oppressive elite who see themselves erroneously as the good guys whether the political system be comprised of unaccountable religious or secular zealots. Therefore in the end result what is the difference between these systems? – none.

 

Clerics Fault a Mute Iran as Muslims Die in China

By ROBERT F. WORTH

Published: July 13, 2009 9  New York Times

 

BEIRUT, Lebanon — Three prominent clerics criticized the Iranian authorities on Monday for failing to condemn the recent killing of Muslims in western China. Their comments often seemed aimed at the Iranian government’s own conduct during the crackdown after the disputed June 12 presidential election.

 

Related

2 Uighurs in Troubled Region Killed by the Police (July 14, 2009)

Times Topics: UighursOne of the clerics, Ayatollah Youssef Sanei, a reformist, drew a sardonic parallel, suggesting that Iran, which considers itself the defender of Muslims worldwide, could not criticize China’s repressive tactics while it was doing the same thing. He also said Iran’s silence was related to its commercial, military and political links with China.

 

“How could China suppress the Muslims so violently and seek good relations with Muslim countries, and sometimes dominate their markets?” Ayatollah Sanei wrote, in comments published on news services and reformist Web sites.

 

Several Parliament members and a member of the Tehran City Council have invoked the same comparison, Web sites reported. Although some seem genuinely upset by the deaths of Muslim Uighurs in western China, the issue has clearly gained a special resonance in light of the violence in Iran, where many opposition protesters have been killed and wounded since the election.

 

A tense funeral for one protester, Sohrab Arabi, 19, was held Monday in Tehran, reformist Web sites reported. Mr. Arabi’s family had believed that he was in prison and learned over the weekend that he had been shot dead after a demonstration on June 15.

 

Video of the funeral, in which dozens of people can be seen holding his picture and chanting “God is great,” was posted on the Internet. The funeral was closely monitored by the police, who warned the family not to allow any protests or antigovernment chants, according to reports by witnesses published on reformist Web sites.

 

The government has said 20 protesters have been killed in all since the election, but opposition members say the number is much higher, possibly in the hundreds. Hundreds of people have been arrested since the election and held without charge. Some have been released, and it is not clear how many remain in jail.

 

The arrests gave rise to several disparate forms of protest on Monday. About 200 people staged a sit-in outside Shariati Hospital in Tehran, Web sites reported.

 

The Association of Iranian Journalists released an open letter to the leader of the judiciary protesting the punishment of people who had merely exercised their right to free speech. The letter also called for the detainees to be treated in accordance with Iran’s constitutional guarantees against indefinite detention and the use of torture for obtaining confessions.

 

The wives of two prominent detainees issued open letters on Monday urging the release of their husbands. The letters appear to have been inspired by Mehdi Karroubi, a reformist cleric and presidential candidate, who wrote one calling for prisoners to be freed.

 

The letters may also be seen as safer than speaking to reporters, an approach that landed several of the detainees in jail in the first place.

 

Nazila Fathi contributed reporting from Toronto, and independent observers from Tehran.

 

You cannot change the past but you can change the future.

It is only by enabling the independence of others first that we can realise our own true independence.

 

Ahmadinejad vowed he would "slap the aggressor so hard they will lose their way back home," AFP - Friday, July 17

 

It is better losing your way home defending what is right than finding your way home with blood on your hands violently defending a discredited dogma which can only survive by killing, incarcerating dissenters and spreading terror and fear.

 

Such a dogma cannot sustain itself though reason and therefore violence and fear becomes reason for its delusional adherents.

 

For no citizen of sound disposition would remain adherents to such a dogma for long if the continual presence of the possibility of the application of grievous harm for independent thought and action ceased to be.

 

The task you face Ahmadinejad to realise the Ahmadinejad nightmare is the eradication of rational logical thought. It is only then your irrational interpretation of text to justify death and terror becomes plausible. Who are there left to dissent not even God?

 

This would in a rational person normally raise a doubt as to the veracity of an intellectual position. Doubt though is something you can no longer afford –it has gone to far-there are too many victims now and many more to come.

 

The doubt is, a God with such obvious intellect and power, no human being could claim to comprehend other than an arrogant deluded human mind, has human beings write a text containing a dogma which is so bereft of convincibility it requires the institution of human terror and fear to spread and maintain its acceptance as a Gods text. This is an absolutely ridiculous notion for it means God lacks convincibility by Gods own word.

 

How could a Gods word be so obscure to be unconvincing to the extent a God requires the terrible death, terror and fear of the very humans God has so diligently created with the ability to raise dissent against such an irrational dogma in the first place.

 

There is absolutely no rational logical support for such a violent interpretation of text other than a humans own requirement to get what they want not what God wants.

 

If I believed God was a God of death and subjugation then I could believe such an interpretation but the vibrant life inherent in all things around me cries out in obvious opposition to such a lie.

 

What is going to bring Ahmadinejad and his cronies down and with them certainly not the Iranian Nation which is so much more profound and secure than the Ahmadinejad tenure or notions of life?  Ahmadinejad it is your own actions and excesses. Ahmadinejad you are the architect of your own demise no internal or external force can match the determination your have for you own self destruction. So it is with all tyrants. Tyrants dig their own graves faster than any opposition could ever hope to achieve.

 

Ahmadinejad you have no need to be afraid of the terror, bombs and bullets of other Nations substantial fear of your lunacy. Ahmadinejad you need to fear the existence of rational thought and growing awareness all that Ahmadinejad, Guardians, Revolutionary Guard, Basij, Quds and Morality Police offer are terror, bombs and bullets whilst Ahmadinejad and his brutish colleagues hide behind large bowls of flowers whose perfume and beauty will not disguise the true state of their souls whilst they all loudly rant the tyrants chorus –

 

Death to….! Death to….! Death to ….!  Death to….! Death to….! Death to ….!

 

Of course Ahmadinejad you will leave the slapping to your erstwhile thugs for you need to build up from swatting flies and maybe up to the level of Morris dancing before any slapping from your cowardly limp hands – just so long as your thugs hold the victims down.

 

The Revolutionary Guard, Basij and Quds are yet to realise courage is defending your fellow human from unwarranted aggression the aim of which is to destroy Iranian peoples right to self-determination as Iran faced with terrible invasion and tactics of nerve and mustard gas by Saddam Hussein’s Iraq-Courage is not attacking your own defenseless patriots on the street and in their houses of Iran to destroy the Iranian peoples right to self-determination.

 

The Revolutionary Guard, Basij and Quds once hero’s courageously protecting the Iranian people are now killing Iranian people and instilling fear. If the Revolutionary Guard, Basij and Quds claim Iranian people are secondary to Gods will, have the Revolutionary Guard, Basij and Quds noticed who is defining Gods will in such a way, and asked Why, surely there are other interpretations of text supportive of the aspirations of the Iranian people, why did God create people in the first place-to live in constant fear, you know it is wrong yet you persist, why are you afraid of saying so? Is it courage sitting silent in the midst of infamy-you certainly did not do this in the Iraq war why start now?

 

You cannot change the past but you can change the future.

It is only by enabling the independence of others first that we can realise our own true independence.

 

 

Morality Police realise their version of Morality is Police Station No. 109.

 

IRAN: Picnicking Outside Evin Prison,y Sara Farhang IPS July 18th 2009

 

TEHRAN, Jul 2 (IPS) - Outside the gates of Tehran's notorious Evin prison, hundreds wait impatiently – some with blankets spread out in the parking lot on the street below, making time for dinner.

 

“The van is now painted with "Police Station No. 109", instead of its usual markings identifying it as the "Morality Police". The morality vans, which up until the time of the protests were filled with police in charge of arresting women with inappropriate Islamic dress, have now been put to a more compelling use by local police stations tasked with arresting protesters.”

 

 

A woman sitting at the foot of her car, in what seems to be an uncomfortable attempt at a picnic, explains that she is waiting for her husband.

"He was arrested 12 days ago," she says. "His only crime is that we live near Azadi Square" – a site of massive protests. "We were on our way home from a funeral when he was pulled out of the car and arrested. They claimed that he had planned to attend the protest, but that was not the case."

 

You cannot change the past but you can change the future.

It is only by enabling the independence of others first that we can realise our own true independence.

MARTYR FOR IDIOCY or

TERROR THE LAST ASYLUM OF COWARDS

 

I believe the mealy mouth approach of terrorist groups to what is or is not terrorism is simple cowardice.

 

Let’s be clear terrorists are persons who advocate and practice methods of partisan repression and bloodshed, violent and intimidating methods to coerce communities to mouth a point of view to enable a relative continuance of survival.

 

In every society there are norms of behavior and belief enforced by varying degrees of punishment either defined as a criminal code or social etiquette. The nature of the enforcement defines us not the outcomes. It is the journey which is important not the destination.

 

Apparently science informs us significant mental energy is required to delve below the surface, which is why we humans exist mostly as surface dwellers with our doubts purposefully unresolved. I cannot claim myself to be anything other.

 

Yet surface dwelling by terrorists becomes an art form of self-deception. Buoyed by the duplicitous cowardly actions of terrorist masters hiding behind bowls of flowers unwilling to sacrifice their own lives but enlivened by the sacrifice of gullible idiots to the cause of death based on a lunatic text. It is known by its real name MARTYR FOR IDIOCY not the MARTYR FOR GOD.

 

Any God of credibility defines such a creature by its true nature – brutal, deluded murdering human creature whatever the stupid text these deluded idiots and masters try to use to substantiate their actions.

 

I believe the duplicitous approach to what is or is not terrorism is simple cowardice. If the message is of real worth to humanity the power of the word will be enough to persuade acceptance and adherence. If not….. Reflective thought is required.

 

How can anyone seriously believe a God would be so inept to create a text which cannot convince by Gods word alone? To accept such a notion is to accept God is truly unconvincing – how ridiculous.

 

There is no name which can be applied to such creatures of evil. The only reference which may be ascribed to such creatures are the deluded cast offs of a failed text. Able to be sacrificed because a suicide bombers intellect and capabilities are not regarded by their myopic masters as worthy of continuance. Rather than being regarded as a hero of God suicide bombers are regarded as an idiot human able to be sacrificed.

 

Why are suicide bombers lauded loudly by their so called bothers, sisters and masters to undertake and complete such a murderous act against humanity –it saves those other bothers, sisters and masters having to do such a stupid thing themselves if the so called bothers and sisters can get some other stupid idiot to do it. The louder they shout in praise and jubilation of other Martyr Idiots they hope they can enroll other idiots so they themselves will not have to make such a stupid sacrifice for nothing but the loss of there own lives.

 

Placating bereaved family members with ‘Sacrifice to Gods will. What a deception of horrendous proportion. God could not care less – this is human evil not a Gods.

 

Terror the last asylum of cowards – Jacobins included.

 

Do we want Societies were individual citizens “who see everything, saw nothing, and said nothing”?

 

You cannot change the past but you can change the future.

 

It is only by enabling the independence of others first that we can realise our own true independence.

 

There is no such thing as freedom only the degree of independence we are willing to grant each other.

IRANIAN CLERIC SHEIK MANSOUR LEGHAEI’S LEGACY TO LUNACY.

 

Extracts from the ASIO translation of Sheik Mansour Leghaei’s notebook

 

WITH WHOM SHOULD A HOLY

WAR BE FOUGHT?

 

The enemies of Islam are to be categorized under three headings:

 

1.      Infidels who do not accept the Quran as the Book of Heaven.

2.      The oppressive and unjust and whoever takes up arms against the Prophet.

3.      Heathens living in Islamic countries who have broken the agreement to pay tribute to the Moslems.

 

It is the Moslem’s basic duty to wipe out the above classes.

OBJECTIVES OF DEFENSIVE HOLY WAR

…..Second, it is not necessary that each of the oppressors be guilty of individual wrongdoings to be killed. If one individual from the group of oppressors causes the martyrdom of a Moslem, it is right for the Moslems and their leader to kill all the members of that group….

 

 

 

The trouble is there exist supposed human beings who actually believe what is stated in Sheik Mansour Leghaei’s note book above makes sense. These persons as we know are totally bereft of intellect but have shown themselves to be potentially very dangerous to boot – basically because of this clear lack of intellect.

 

These people believe firstly they are Moslems a fact it appears some Moslems object to strongly as the notion of a basic duty to wipe out anyone of any particular class or group of fellow human beings simply does not conform with their interpretation of the same text.

 

Secondly these people believe a text written by man and determined by other human beings to be a Book of Heaven authorizes them as Moslems believers to kill other humans who:

 

Find the idea that a book written by humans then touted as a Book of Heaven as totally unsubstantiated by anything of substance other than you either believe or we kill you. – A very convincing argument if I ever heard one. Though the rationality of the argument based on facts other than the text says so simply is not proof.

Let us put this madness into perspective to show how ridiculous such notions are:

WITH WHOM SHOULD A HOLY

WAR BE FOUGHT?

 

The enemies of Tolkien are to be categorized under three headings:

 

4.      Elves who do not accept the account of the Valar and Maiar according to the Lore of the Eldar.

5.      The parking inspectors and soccer referees and whoever takes up cartooning against the Wizard.

6.      Hobbits that have refused to be blackmailed with the threat of violence to agree to pay tribute for simply being alive in their own country, those who think for themselves, and anyone to big for their green boots, living in Tolkien countries.

It is the Tolkiens basic duty to wipe out the above classes.


OBJECTIVES OF DEFENSIVE HOLY WAR

…..Second, it is not necessary that each of the parking inspectors be guilty of individual wrongdoings to be killed. If one individual from the group of parking inspectors causes a
Tolkien to trip and knock their head, it is right for the Tolkiens and their noddy to kill all the members of that group….

 

If I was to say I believed the above regards the Tolkiens-however old my text 10 minuets or 3000 years. Why does no one take me seriously? The reason is – it is obviously a ridiculous notion to accept – but if now a real possibility of being killed is thrown in what happens to our perceptions?

 

The notion of killing is more to frighten the already defined adherents than the ridiculers. This is because time and experience have shown without the real ever present potential for violence against dissent adherence will collapse.

 

The ridiculers outside also have to be silenced, as we saw with Iranian regime virulently attacking outside commentators and cutting off communication with the opposition in the outside world. For the ridiculers point out the stark hypocrisy, bring working alternatives, and more importantly show you can challenge the basis for the orthodoxy and confront directly the dreaded authority who work by fear to achieve the tranquility of silence over the bodies of the real martyrs who courageously resist this lunacy.

 

The above call for death of people simply because they do not agree with an interpretation of text written by humans and claims it came direct from a God would be laughable but for the many that have and will continue to perish under horrible circumstances because certain maniac’s delusional state has them believe the above diatribe to be true.

 

What century is this?

 

Do we want Societies were individual citizens “who see everything, saw nothing, and said nothing”?

 

You cannot change the past but you can change the future.

 

It is only by enabling the independence of others first that we can realise our own true independence.

 

There is no such thing as freedom only the degree of independence we are willing to grant each other.

 

Iranian vice-president 'sacked' or

Religious Democracy in Action

or Spot the difference

Alas someone saw Mr Mashaie as a threat to Religious Democracy? Religious Democracy now there is an absurdity - much like a cross between a hyena and a lamb.

 

A notable trait of a Religious Democracy, as with its first cousin the Spanish inquisition is it’s propensity to devour itself whilst screaming simultaneously ‘Death to..’ and God is Great.

 

God has had nothing to do with either abomination it is man who continues to make fellow humans suffer so very cruelly from misuse of text written by man for man.

 

Simply because certain humans erroneously believe they are supreme in the misguided belief they know what is best for the rest of humanity and are prepared to have the rest of humanity live in well founded fear to prove it.

 

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has dismissed his most senior vice-president, it has been reported.

The decision, the state news agency Iran said, came after Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei ordered Mr Ahmadinejad to do so.

 

Ayatollah Khamenei wrote to the president, telling him that appointing Mr Mashaie was "against your interest and the interests of the government".

 

Source BBC Saturday, 25 July 2009

 

Khamenei please drop the word Democracy it’s becoming a joke-Supreme means what it means- Democracy simply cannot exist in the same realm.

 

Khamenei either have a religious dictatorship or a Democracy you cannot have both.

 

Clearly Khamenei you have proved again you are the Supreme person – dictator – you are solely dictating what is to occur in your Society so for heavens sake and honesty delete Democracy from the dishonest Religious Democracy nomenclature.

 

Location

West of Kargar Avenue (proposed by some to be renamed Neda Street)[1] at the intersection between Khosravi and Salehi Streets[2]
Tehran, Iran

Coordinates

35°43′8.57″N 51°23′30.60″E / 35.7190472°N 51.3918333°E / 35.7190472; 51.3918333

Date

June 20, 2009
7:05 pm (
UTC+4:30)

Weapon(s)

Firearm[3]

Suspected perpetrator

Khameneis Basij militiaman who ostensibly admitted to shooting[3]

For those parents who have had a daughter taken from them for perverse reasons of State know with a certainty of nurturing life there is no God who will forgive State or man for such a heinous act. Prepare for your Maker.

 

 

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Do we want Societies were individual citizens “who see everything, saw nothing, and said nothing”?

 

You cannot change the past but you can change the future.

 

It is only by enabling the independence of others first that we can realise our own true independence.

 

There is no such thing as freedom only the degree of independence we are willing to grant each other.

 

Although it is said the pen is mightier than the sword clearly history shows the mightiest swords own the pens.

 

The reason the concept of Democracy has such value is its underlying fundamental notion that it attempts to redress the balance from political elites with the power to control to the individual citizen. Reliable, untainted, and sufficient information is an essential key to this.

 

Clearly we still have some way to go to rid ourselves of our inherited feudal command and control Government, institutions and policy framework which are more concerned with promoting the interests of the elites than those of the ‘ordinary citizen’ Whether or not they are based on religious or secular myopic views for both are created for the same purpose. To create mechanisms of control for man by man for particular elites.

 

The degree by which Democracy exists in reality is dependant on the limits to the power of elites. There is no difference between a Prime Minister with autocratic power and a Supreme religious leader with autocratic power. These are not Democracies but simply dictatorships. Naming without appropriate substance does not hide the reality from the citizen.

 

 Do we want Societies were individual citizens “who see everything, saw nothing, and said nothing”?

 

You cannot change the past but you can change the future.

 

It is only by enabling the independence of others first that we can realise our own true independence.

 

There is no such thing as freedom only the degree of independence we are willing to grant each other.

 

Such a death is that of Neda Agha-Soltan.

 

It is a matter of record in death and more so in the character of a death a person can leave a positive indelible mark on the character of humanity.

 

I speak not of a death of notoriety or abstracted terror perpetrated by suicide bombers who are mere flashes in the consciousness of those who encourage their cowardly action so they themselves will not have to do such a heinous stupid act.

 

Suicide bombers, retched excuses for morality, prefer oblivion rather than face the reality of their twisted black souls. Too gutless to stay and look squarely into the torn wasted human lives before them. Lacking the ability to coherently argue a case for justice –they and their handlers of death give none.

 

I speak of a death which is defined by the lives which have been saved or enhanced rather than the many numbers which have been so cruelly destroyed. A death defined by standing against the tide of fear generated by bigotry and hate of independent thought and vision.

 

This death does not necessarily have to be physical though it could and possibly invariably contributes to an early passing. A person can be slowly or quickly destroyed by the nature of the repression which invariably follows actions of courage. One sees it daily in the lives of the people willing to stand against the State, Religious or Private apparatus.

 

Even in reporting misdemeanors in so called Western Democracies it tends to come with a heavy penalty let alone in more supposedly draconian societies.

 

Fear is a constant companion in our societies today for the very same reasons as in the past. It may have ameliorated to a degree in some societies with the recognition of what are assumed rights of natural justice and societal mechanisms to try and counteract more negative aspects of human nature, but never the less the fear remains. This is because the fundamental societal structures are still the same. Based on self not other; hierarchy of submission not equality of purpose.

 

The death we most remember is the innocent singular death of courage and sacrifice which defines the stark difference between what is intrinsically good and what is evil. It is a death which is not about denigrating a version of the truth for its own sake but drawing to attention the worthlessness of violence and the revelation of its anathema to life and cogent reason

 

Such a death holds any supportive textual interpretation of what life is, its purpose or reason as void. Such a death is that of Neda Agha-Soltan.

 

If not being prepared to perpetrate such monstrous acts against humanity which cut short the vibrant lives of our children is weakness then I am certain the God of life would agree with Gods cogent creatures weakness is indeed a blessing not a folly

 

Do we want Societies were individual citizens “who see everything, saw nothing, and said nothing”?

 

You cannot change the past but you can change the future.

 

It is only by enabling the independence of others first that we can realise our own true independence.

 

There is no such thing as freedom only the degree of independence we are willing to grant each other.

Is GOD a PSYCHOPATH or a SIMPLE MALIGNANT NARCISSIST?

 

PSYCHOPATH Spotting

 

The psychopath is defined by an uninhibited gratification in criminal, sexual, or aggressive impulses and the inability to learn from past mistakes. Individuals with this disorder gain satisfaction through their antisocial behavior and lack remorse for their actions

 

Lack of a conscience in conjunction with a weak ability to defer gratification and/or control aggressive desires, often leads to antisocial behaviors.

 

Psychopaths (and others on the pathological narcissism scale) low in social cognition are more prone to violence against others, failure in occupational settings, and problems maintaining relationships. All psychopaths differ in their impulse control abilities, and overall desires. Psychopaths high in the pathological narcissism scale are more equipped to succeed, but pathological narcissism does not in any way guarantee success.

 

“WOMAN HAD 80 WOMEN RAPED THEN RECRUITED AS SUICIDE BOMBERS”

 

It would appear recruiting suicide bombers is certainly a suitable employment opportunity for psychopaths.

 

SIMPLE MALIGNANT NARCISSIST Spotting

 

An absence of conscience, a psychological need for power, and a sense of importance (grandiosity) are often symptomatic of malignant narcissism. Pollock wrote: "The malignant narcissist is presented as pathologically grandiose, lacking in conscience and behavioral regulation with characteristic demonstrations of joyful cruelty and sadism."[

 

Kernberg wrote that malignant narcissism can be differentiated from psychopathy because of the malignant narcissists' capacity to internalize "both aggressive and idealized superego precursors, leading to the idealization of the aggressive, sadistic features of the pathological grandiose self of these patients." According to Kernberg, the psychopaths' paranoid stance against external influences makes them unwilling to internalize even the values of the "aggressor," while malignant narcissists "have the capacity to admire powerful people, and can depend on sadistic and powerful but reliable parental images."

 

Malignant narcissists, in contrast to psychopaths, are also said to be capable of developing "some identification with other powerful idealized figures as part of a cohesive 'gang' ... which permits at least some loyalty and good object relations to be internalized." Malignant narcissism is highlighted as a key area when it comes to the study of mass, sexual, and serial murder.

 

FAHRAD TAJARI, SAID THAT 30 PEOPLE HAD DIED DURING LAST MONTH’S UNREST, NOT 20 AS INITIALLY CLAIMED BY THE AUTHORITIES.

TEHRAN PRISON HEAD SOHRAB SOLEIMANI DENIED THE TWO PROTESTERS HAD DIED FROM PRISON BEATINGS, INSISTING THEY HAD BEEN STRUCK DOWN BY MENINGITIS.

BUT OPPOSITION LEADER MIR-HOSSEIN MOUSAVI, MR AHMADINEJAD'S CLOSEST ELECTION RIVAL, SAID IF ONE OF THE PROTESTERS HAD DIED OF MENINGITIS, "HOW COME HIS TEETH WERE BROKEN?"

I do hope the Islamic Society of Engineers do not prove themselves to be readily as recognisable as the once hero’s now Iranian oppressors the Revolutionary Guard, Basij and Quds.

GOD is definitely not a PSYCHOPATH or a SIMPLE MALIGNANT NARCISSIST but some human beings certainly are.

 

Conscience is an ability or a faculty that distinguishes whether one's actions are right or wrong. It leads to feelings of remorse when a human does things that go against his/her moral values, and to feelings of rectitude or integrity when actions conform to moral values. It is also often viewed as the attitude which informs moral judgment before an action is performed.

 

What century is this?

 

Do we want Societies were individual citizens “who see everything, saw nothing, and said nothing”?

 

You cannot change the past but you can change the future.

 

It is only by enabling the independence of others first that we can realise our own true independence.

 

There is no such thing as freedom only the degree of independence we are willing to grant each other.

Faith provides secular and religious certainty.

 

The greater the certainty the greater the danger to humanity.

 

 

Incoherence is not a property of God it is a property of man.

 

The degree to which harm is promoted in texts and/or used to facilitate its acceptance is a true measure of the degree to which the text diverges from not only humanities notions of natural justice but the notion of God as a being infinite in justice and goodness and the basis of all logic and rationality.

 

Only fools with treacherous designs against the peaceful coexistence of justified independent thought would promote and justify grievous harm against fellow human beings simply because they are of another race or creed, some of which may have peacefully raised objections to or just showed no interest in a text.

 

God is a Spirit, infinite, eternal, and unchangeable, in his being, wisdom, power, holiness, justice, goodness, and truth.

 

God has knowledge of all things.

 

God is a non-material personal being self-conscious and self-determining.

 

God is everywhere.

 

God’s omniscience is all-inclusive.

 

God is omnipotence. God controls all the power that is or can be.

 

God is infinite in justice and goodness. The laws of reason are attributes of Gods character. God is the basis of all logic and rationality.

 

God has a perfect consistency of character throughout all eternity.

 

If the above is true as to the nature of God the following simply cannot be true:

 

God controls whether or not a person believes or not believes. If they are informed or uninformed it makes no difference.

 

Comment:

Therefore is it not God who has created this disbelief in the word of God not man. Why should man whose ears are closed to the supposed word of God be punished for Gods own act of sealing mans ability to accept the textual truth in the first place?

 

If God is all knowledgeable, infinite in his justice and the basis of all logic and rationality what has God got to gain be such and exercise in futility. Is it justice, logical and rational to make a person deaf, dumb and blind and then punish that person with blazing hell fire because they did not respond in the appropriate manner? God has therefore not enabled natural justice to enable this human being an opportunity to deny or accept.

 

God is omniscient as well as omnipotent. In other words God is everywhere, everything at every time, all inclusive in power to create and control. God therefore not only creates an individual person but knows in that creation the person will deny God’s own existence. God then punishes the person for denying the textual delivery of a human being by burning that person in hell. This type of text has clearly been created by man to excuse other men acting badly towards other peoples who have a justifiable right to disbelieve what is being communicated to them, a faculty created by God in the first place.

 

More importantly this serves to restrict logical and rational reflection by those proposing the validity of such a text as to why these people rejecting the text are so adamant it is a load of bunkum – God is responsible therefore these rejecters of the text should be condemned and their words of rebuttal untrustworthy - I therefore do not have to question my own beliefs.

 

Whatever the rational used to oppose the text no matter how logical or rational can now be dismissed – how convenient for the arrogant and disrespectful. Only fools would accept God as unjust, illogical and irrational as reflected by such a text.

 

How can a God be so inept and incoherent in purpose in transcripts of God’s own text that it remains so unconvincing as to require either the threat of or actual grievous harm to be visited upon human beings to maintain observance by adherents and punish those who justifiably disbelieve or do not show the required level of observance to the text.

 

Such a notion that a text straight from God requires a notion of such a level of Grievous harm, mistrust and condemnation to maintain and promote an authenticity of a God’s text against fellow human beings, created by God in the first place, is an absurdity. If Gods text is so riven to be incoherent by human transcription to even the most humble of humans then God’s choice of transcribers is clearly suspect. To accept such a notion clearly means God is inept as well as incoherent – this is clearly impossible.

 

Therefore any text requiring the menacing of fellow human beings simply because those humans do not understand what is being purported to be a text of God is not from God but from man and should be treated as such. Incoherence is not a property of God it is definitely a property of man.

 

What century is this?

 

Do we want Societies were individual citizens “who see everything, saw nothing, and said nothing”?

 

You cannot change the past but you can change the future.

 

It is only by enabling the independence of others first that we can realise our own true independence.

 

There is no such thing as freedom only the degree of independence we are willing to grant each other.

 

So the violence against body and soul will continue.. continue… This is Religious Democracy.. the Religious will always condem the democratic .. as they have always done in the past .. the religious inquisition continues .. evil abounds.

 

 

Probe urged into Iran jail 'rape' 

 

Mr Karroubi said if even one account were true, it would be a tragedy

A defeated opposition candidate in Iran's presidential election has called for an investigation into allegations some protesters were raped in prison.

 

In a letter to former president Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, Mehdi Karroubi said senior officials had informed him of the "shameful behaviour" taking place.

 

Mr Karroubi wrote that both male and female detainees had been raped, with some suffering serious injuries.

 

He asked Mr Rafsanjani to consult the Supreme Leader about the allegations.

 

About 200 people arrested during the mass protests sparked by June's disputed election, which saw President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad re-elected by a wide margin, are still being detained.

 

'Brutality'

 

In the letter addressed to Mr Rafsanjani in his capacity as head of the Assembly of Experts, Mr Karroubi demanded an investigation into allegations that several detainees had been sexually assaulted.

 

"Some of those arrested [as a result] of the unrest claim that detained girls have been sexually assaulted with... brutality," he wrote.

 

"The young men in detention were also sexually assaulted in such a way that some are now suffering from depression and other physical and psychological problems, and are incapable of even leaving their homes," he added.

 

Mr Karroubi said that the people who had told him about the allegations of sexual assault held "sensitive positions".

 

"Even if one account is true, it would be a tragedy for the Islamic Republic… and it would whitewash the sins of many dictatorships, including that of the deposed Shah," he added.

 

On Thursday, police confirmed serious rights violations had taken place at the Kahrizak detention centre, where most of those arrested at the protests were sent.

 

The head of Kahrizak was sacked and jailed on Sunday along with three of his guards, who were found to have beaten detainees.

 

Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei ordered the closure of the centre in July, because it had failed to "preserve the rights of detainees". Police officials have admitted that some of those held since June might have been tortured.

 

Earlier on Sunday, a senior commander of Iran's Islamic Revolution Guards Corps said that Mr Karroubi, and the other main defeated opposition presidential candidate, Mir Hossein Mousavi, should be tried for inciting unrest after the election.

 

"If Mousavi, Karroubi and [former president Mohammad] Khatami are the main suspects behind the soft revolution in Iran, which they are, we expect the judiciary... to go after them, arrest them, put them on trial and punish them," Yadollah Javan told the Irna news agency.

 

Foreign media, including the BBC, have been restricted in their coverage of Iran since the election protests turned into confrontations with the authorities in which at least 30 people died.

 


Is it arrogant and disrespectful to point out a stark reality as apposed to

a tranquil delusion of reason?

 

Grievous Harm as the basis of law and precedent utilizing Gods divine right as its author’s rock of proven existence in truth is a lie. The Devine right of God has and continues to be utilized by man for the terrible repression and excuse for any number of crimes against fellow human beings.

 

There is no difference in the reasoned application of torture by the Catholics Spanish inquisition and the Iran’s Religious Democracy by the Iranian Revolutionary guard, Basij, and morality police. King, Shar Catholic, Protestant and Muslim clerics have and do depend on this notion of divine right to excuse their brutal actions against fellow human beings.

 

It is Gods will they say as the bodies of the burning, tortured, raped and bloodied lie at their feet. These perpetrators of devastation accuse the brutally destroyed of denying the validity of a Gods text.

 

Any text which justifies the application of Grievous Harm to enforce Gods tenants is a text of man not God. For a text which justifies the application of Grievous Harm to be a text of God means Gods own word fails to convince by its own power. Therefore God by Gods own word lacks the power to convince even humanity of the justification of the application of Gods owns tenants. God cannot lack power. This means a God derived from such a violent text cannot be God but is man again pretending to represent Gods word for mans own purpose.

 

For a text to be truly a text of God it has to convince by the power of its word alone. Not through the application of fear and impending death but through the rationality and its clarity of reasoned text. For God is reason and clarity. The existence of the Revolutionary Guard, the guardians, the Basij, the morality police, a supreme leader are instruments of forced adherence not of reason, rationality and clarity.

 

The reason these Iranian apparatuses of State exist in the way they do and why they are repressive and violent in their nature is that the proponents of Iran’s Religious Democracy know in their hearts their interpretation of the text presents a God unable to be sustained to a majority of humanity, let alone the Iranian people, as a lucid and rational God.

 

Clearly God is rational and lucid and therefore the existence of the Revolutionary Guard, the guardians, the Basij, the morality police, a supreme leader proves the supporters of the Iranian Religious Democracy and the framers of the Iranian constitution know their interpretation of Gods text alone does not convince by the power of their words alone. Therefore as their text does not universally convince those who hear and read their text it cannot be derived from God it is from man for mans purpose not Gods.

 

Such texts of clear unreasoned promoted violence against those who differ on not only the text but reject it completely as a word of God are not derived from God but man.

 

For Iran to enable Gods true Democracy Gods word alone needs to replace the restrictive and oppressive apparatus of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, the guardians, the Basij, the morality police and a supreme leader. God neither demands nor forces adherence, man does for mans objectives not Gods.

 

Is it arrogant and disrespectful to point out a stark reality as apposed to a tranquil delusion of reason for the brutal malady currently being suffered by the Iranian people and many beyond its borders? The trouble is history shows clearly oppression is its own incubator for more evil to come – internal and external to Iran.

 

Do we want Societies were individual citizens “who see everything, saw nothing, and said nothing”?

 

It is only by enabling the independence of others first that we can realise our own true independence.

 

There is no such thing as freedom only the degree of independence we are willing to grant each other.

 

Faith provides secular and religious certainty, the greater the certainty the greater the danger to humanity.

 

Incoherence is not a property of God it is a property of man.

 

God neither demands nor forces adherence, man does for mans objectives not Gods.

 

You cannot change the past but you can change the future.

 


 

WHO AM I

 

I am who I think I am.

 

I am defined by the wind and sun.

 

Born of this earth to return to it.

 

Knowing no more or less of what I am or will be either at the start or end.

 

I claim to be unique, with an understanding of life to match, yet I am the sum of all I have heard, seen and felt – a variance of an inherited image.

 

It is by chance I believe what I do not understand.

 

Doubt is my torment and salvation.

 

I am a cognizant human therefore a hypocrite.

 

I seek nothing but peace and perseverance to enable discovery rather than to be led blindly down a path of bloodied figure prints.

 

Freedom is an illusion, despite our best endeavors it is only the degree of independence enabled by others which create our opportunities for growth of character, intellect and happiness.

 

Enabling the independence of others first is my purpose.

 

Subjugating others first to a single thought of unquestioning subservience to sovereignty my anathema.

 

Friendship and Family under a clear blue sky, accepting difference with understanding is all I wish for others and myself.

 

I attempt to convince by the power of my words not by my capacity to inflict unfathomable torment upon mothers of every creed with torn aspirations, souls and bodies of their daughters and sons.

 

I am you, you are I.

 

Do we want Societies were individual citizens “who see everything, saw nothing, and said nothing”?

 

You cannot change the past but you can change the future.

 

It is only by enabling the independence of others first that we can realise our own true independence.

 

There is no such thing as freedom only the degree of independence we are willing to grant each other.

 

Faith provides secular and religious certainty, the greater the certainty the greater the danger to humanity.

 

Incoherence is not a property of God it is a property of man.

 

DEBATE:Is the future of Iran unity or division?SENT:05-Aug-2009 14:40COMMENT:

 

The future of Iranian citizen will be the same as that of the Spanish citizen under the Spanish Inquisition.

 

The repression of the Iranian citizen will continue as long as the enforcers the Revolutionary Guard, Basij, and morality police are willing to impose Iranian elite’s ideology on the rest of the population.

 

Iran’s division could last for eight hundred years–ask the Spanish, fear and terror sustained a discreditable ideology, its core arrogance and disrespect for basic human rights.

 

 

DEBATE:Is the future of Iran unity or division?SENT:05-Aug-2009 14:30COMMENT:

 

Khamenei refers to arrogance; Ahmadinejad refers to disrespect-a device to avoid rationalising the discrepancy between declarations of the existence of Democracy in Iran and the reality.

 

A "golden page" more like a “bloody page” in Iran's political history, such is arrogance.

 

Yardstick of Democracy, Iran’s regime failed to come up with an inchstick.

 

Religious Democracy – Rabbit Goose makes as much sense.

 

 

DEBATE:Is the future of Iran unity or division?SENT:05-Aug-2009 04:30COMMENT:

 

Ayatollah Khamenei's future is tied only to the attitude of the enforces of the Iranian elites ideology the Revolutionary Guard, erstwhile Baij and morality police and not at all to Mr Ahmadinejad.

 

Ayatollah Khamenei's survival depends solely on the enforcers remaining faithful to oppressing their fellow Iranian citizens.

 

Poor Mr Ahmadinejad has no where to run, no where to hide when the true feelings of the Iranian people in time inevitably force an unravelling of the Iranian regime.

 

DEBATE:What next for Iran?SENT:01-Jul-2009 04:25COMMENT:What next for Iran?

1 Russia China alliance protect Iran from censure-repression and nuclear.

2 Increased resources for Basiji .

3 Reporting on fellow citizens increases.

4 Surveillance of electronic media.

5 Forced public confessions.

6 Export of terrorism to destabilise Democracies.

7 Killings judicial-other of opposition commentators internal and external to Iran.

8 Trust of State apparatus, judiciary, religious leaders diminishes rapidly.

9 Pressure builds for constitutional change.

 

DEBATE:What next for Iran?SENT:30-Jun-2009 02:32COMMENT:

 

The inevitable public confessions of guilt and connivance with enemies of Iran have started on Iranian television.

 

No doubt to be closely followed by Show trials of poor Iranian unfortunates.

 

We again sit and watch - the acceptance of the notion of sovereignty condemns citizens again to suppression without the possibility of assistance.

 

What century is this?

 

DEBATE:What next for Iran?SENT:30-Jun-2009 00:58COMMENT

 

:Iranian's must now realise the divine right of a Shar violently imposing views on and killing citizens in the process for voicing contrary views to a ruler is not different from the divine right of an Ayatollah violently imposing his views on and killing citizens in the process for contrary views to a ruler.

 

Also any text either secular or religious used to justify grievous harm to Iranians for demonstrating a differing view is a dangerous absurdity and should be challenged and altered.

 

 

:What next for Iran?SENT:29-Jun-2009 03:10COMMENT:

 

Reply to 'sleep tight'

 

There was a not so subtle threat against commentators against the Iranian regimes actions on the previous BBC Iran discussion board.

 

It is the promotion of independance against the suppression of it based on secular or religious archaic text which encourages us in the face of chants of 'Death to ...' and possible harm, "law or no law".

 

To believe any text authorises grievous harm for simply expressing disagreement is a grotesque absurdity which requires remedy.

 

DEBATE:What have Iran protests achieved?SENT:25-Jun-2009 12:24COMMENT:

 

Roll UP

 

The Islamic version of the Catholic Spanish Inquisition the Iranian Revolutionary Guard is about to do a repeat performance of an old favourite, a version of the Spanish Inquisitions proof that the Earth is indeed flat.

 

The Iranian Revolutionary Guard will also prove what is an equally valid proposition Evil European, Israeli and US agents are totally responsible for fomenting the huge demonstrations and violence in Iran.

 

See Usual Confessions of Guilt!

 

What Century is this?

 

 

DEBATE:What have Iran protests achieved?SENT:25-Jun-2009 08:28COMMENT:

 

Iran's Revolutionary Guard says it arrested the unnamed "masterminds" of the unrest.

 

I congratulate the Iran's Revolutionary Guard for its diligence and courage in arresting who every one knows as the perpetrators of the bloody violence in Iran - the Royal twins Ayatohlah Khamenei and President truism Ahmadinejad the only true contenders.

 

I am not surprised both have been also caught plotting with Israel and those evil Europeans in this deadly business.

 

Well done 'Good Guys'!

 

 

DEBATE:What have Iran protests achieved?SENT:25-Jun-2009 04:07COMMENT:

 

I to immediately thought of an Iranian connection to the massive bomb blast in Iraq Sadr City a Shia area.

 

Why would Iranian elite do this against their own Shia brethren? Shia in Iran ~ 89%.

 

In my view the Iranian elite need:

to manufacture a mentality of siege against Shia religion adherents,

to justify arming Iraq Shia militia who support Iran's myopic religious dogma,

to destroy a fledging Democracy on their door steps,

to send a message of how ruthless they are and can be.

 

 

DEBATE:What have Iran protests achieved?SENT:25-Jun-2009 02:54COMMENT:

 

US Agents in Iran responsible for brutal repression in IRAN?

 

Most countries have agents insinuated in other countries.

 

So given Iran has Agents in the US and Britain therefore by this logic Iranian Agents have been purposefully fermenting all the negative comments against IRAN itself. Sounds good to me.

 

I must point out there is very little evidence of club wielding bikers wearing US flags attacking Iranians in the streets of Iran's cities.

 

Nor US citizens involved in vote rigging.

 

 

DEBATE:What have Iran protests achieved?SENT:25-Jun-2009 00:44COMMENT:

 

Thank you BBC and Britain for enabling this discussion to take place.

 

I believe it is no coincidence Britain has been targeted as the 'Most Evil'.

 

Free speech;

 

the ability to propose a differing point of view,

the ability to propose a different way of living in harmony

 

is an anathema to such a suppressive, myopic religious regime as currently exists in Iran.

 

'Death to...'! is the only response for a justified desire for independence from an oppressive dogma.

 

Thanks Britain

 

 

DEBATE:What have Iran protests achieved?SENT:19-Jun-2009 13:25COMMENT:

 

Great Britain WINS!

 

The winner is Great Britain, Recommendation: "the most evil of them".

 

Congratulations Great Britain. it must have cost you millions of pounds to stage such a spectacular Iranian mass demonstration. Impressive.

 

Particularly entranced by those bikies battering pedestrians. It looked so authentic.

 

Khamenei did not mention to ‘the most evil act’ of all, the killing of fellow human beings by his Basij volunteer militia.

 

Being all powerful Fiction or Fact who cares?

 

 

DEBATE:What have Iran protests achieved?SENT:19-Jun-2009 12:37COMMENT:

 

We would not cheat

 

Is Ayatollah Khamenei referring to himself or the Royal Union Ayatollah Khamenei and Mr Ahmadinejad, the esteemed erstwhile President of historical truism?

 

Ayatollah Khamenei is not unbiased. He openly supports President Ahmadinejad, saying the president's views on foreign affairs and social issues were close to his.

 

So much for objectivity of office.

 

It would seem the apparatus of State may have been utilised to enhance a particular vision. Cheating MOI!?